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Contents below
on this page:
A. Introduction-New Yahoo Group For Automatic Controls [below]
B. Subscribing & Unsubscribing [below]
C. Separate Mailbox Recommended [below]
D. Type of Controls Included & Excluded [below]
E. Group Restrictions & Settings [below]
F. Video Overview of Yahoo Groups [below] |
A.
Introduction - New Yahoo Group For Automatic Controls
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- NEW GROUP:
We are trying to start a new Yahoo discussion Group named
"AutoControls".
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AutoControls )
for people interested in AUTOMATIC CONTROLS --
mainly SIMPLIFIED automatic control of multiple trains on the same
track.
- ABOUT YAHOO GROUPS:
If you're not famililiar with Yahoo Groups, the key things to know are
(a) your address is safe and hidden, (2) you can 'unsubscribe' and
leave the group anytime you like.
For more information, see Ingram's Comments About Listservers or Yahoo Help Pages For Listservers or Ingram's YouTube Video About Listservers .
- CREATING A REFERENCE LIBRARY:
We've created this Group with the hope that people belonging to
different Yahoo groups for different scales, can be persuaded to
CROSS-POST (send a copy) to this new group, when they send a message
containing information about automatic controls.
This automatic controls information already exists to some degree in
several Yahoo groups.
But the problem is, that you have to dig through hundreds of messages
in several groups to find it.
The hope of this Group, is to accumulate a copy (via cross posting) of
as much of this information as we can, in ONE PLACE, which will be the
AutoControls Message Archives, which can thus function as sort of a
"LIBRARY".
- SCALES:
We're hoping we can attract members from multiple scales . . . S gauge,
LargeScale, and maybe a few HO and N scalers and any interested persons
of the other gauges. (The 3-rail O scale people tend to have radically
different control systems that depend on the 3rd rail for signaling
purposes, so we don't expect much interest on their part.)
The CHALLENGE will be finding enough interested people to keep this
group going, as this Automatic Train Controls activity seems to be a
niche-specialty, of interest to only a very small minority.
B.
Subscribing & UNsubscribing
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- TO SUBSCRIBE:
This AutoControls group is a typical Yahoo group, so you can
'subscribe' and 'unsubscribe' yourself using the usual methods:
* Subscribe: Send a blank email (no subject, no body)
to: autocontrols-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
and then replay to the "request for confirmation" message
* Unsubscribe: Send a blank email (no subject, no body)
to: autocontrols-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Note the group is currently "turned off" (no posting) while recruiting
members.
I hope to start the messages (enable posting) in early 2009.
C.
Separate Mailbox Recommended
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- AUTOMATIC SORTING:
In my humble opinion, this is one of the most important steps anyone
should take, when joining a Yahoo discussion group.
I recommend subscribers:
(a) create a separate mailbox, and then
(b) create a "RULE" to automatically SORT Group messages into that
mailbox, so the incoming
messages don't clutter your inbox and irritate you.
- CREATING THE RULE: Apple's
Mail program on my Macintosh, and most other email programs, support
these 'rules'.
If like most of the general public, you are using the Outlook Express
email application with Windows XP operating system, you can use the
commands 'File > New > Folder' to create a mailbox named
'AutoControls'. Next, to create the 'Rule', use 'Tools > Message
Rules > Mail'. Then select the 'Mail' tab, and then click the 'New'
tab on right. Configure the rule to look for the "subject tag" of
'[autocontrols]' in the subject line.))
The following web pages also contain additional information about
setting up Rules:
[ Create Rule in Outlook Express ] . [ Create Rule in Apple Mail ]
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D.
Types of Controls Included and Excluded
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- OBJECTIVE:
This group is specifically dedicated to "Simplified Automatic Train
Controls on 2-Rail Systems -- that is, automatic control of model
trains that the "Average Joe" like myself can set up in a short time,
even on a TEMPORARY display layout, without being an electrical
engineer or a computer genius.
- TYPE OF CONTROLS INCLUDED:
- This group would
tentatively include the following types of controls:
- Automatic control
using LGB's EPL components (LargeScale)
- Automatic control
using other combinations of reed switches and relays
- Automatic control
using the RR-Concepts.com, Dallee.com, TrainElectronics.com, or similar
"hook them up and use them" electronic controls.
TOPICS -- Topics would include the use of the above components to
create the following types of 'automation scenes':
- Automatic passing
sidings
- Automatic blocks
for multiple train operation on the same loop
- "Automatic
switching blocks" combining the automatic block & passing siding
- Automated station
stops
- Automated route
selection (trains alternate 2 different routes)
- Automatic
point-to-point reversing systems, and similar topics.
Some of these
'automation scenes' I have attempted to demonstrate on the
AutoControls.org Video Page, so far using S gauge and LargeScale.
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- RELIABILITY -- The "turd in
the punchbowl" here, especially in the smaller scales, is the challenge
of finding RELIABLE-ENOUGH turnouts and engines to reliably accomplish
this multi-train operation -- without having derailments, uncouplings,
stalling on upgrades, or excessive speed on downgrades, etc.
- TYPE OF CONTROLS EXCLUDED:
The group would EXCLUDE the following types of controls:
- Digital Command
Control (DCC) issues.
REASON: There are already many groups dedicated to DCC. {{Except where
applicable to using DCC engines for automatic controls operation.
Decoder-equipped engines that are "dual mode" can be operated (I
believe) on all these automatic control systems when using DC current,
and can be operated on most (but not-all) systems when using DCC
current.}}
- Computer Control.
REASON: This tends to be included with the DCC stuff, and the
complexity is way beyond most of our capabilities.
- Automatic Control
on 3-rail systems. REASON: The 3-rail control systems tend to be
totally different, since they usually incorporate the 3rd rail for
detection.
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E.
Group Restrictions & Settings
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- POSTING RESTRICTIONS:
*Members who repeatedly post off-topic or impolite messages may have
their posting privileges revoked.
* Members are requested to try to keep "chat-type" messages to a
minimum. The goal would be have a Group, that for someone browsing the
message archives, every message they browse would contain useful
information.
- PROPOSED GROUP SETTINGS:
I been moderating several Yahoo groups since 2001.
Based on my observations, I propose that the following policies are the
most useful way to configure the group.
- MEMBERSHIP:
* Membership: Membership by approval only. REASON: To keep spammers out.
* New members: New members posts are moderated. REASON: To make sure
posts are "on topic" and not spam.
- ARCHIVE SETTINGS:
Archives will be "open" (viewable by anyone who wishes to browse them).
REASON: We want as many people as possible to use this information, so
we want to make it as easy as possible to view it. ((Currently, this
group, G_Gauge, has its archives set to be "open" to anyone. Some
groups have their archives "closed", so you have to login in with a
Yahoo ID to view the messages.))
- VIEWING ARCHIVED MESSAGES:
You can view previous messages by going to the
The AutoControls Listserver Home Page,
and using the "Messages" link, which should be the 2nd link from the
top in the left menu bar.
- ATTACHMENTS:
I'm sort of "sitting on the fence" with regard to this setting.
Attachments tentatively will be allowed (the "allow html" setting).
This means you can use formatted text and attach photos. Members using
DIAL-UP are encouraged to get a Yahoo or AOL address where the
downloading the attachments is optional, so you don't "choke your
modem" with large attachments..
REASON: I think the group will be more useful if people can attach
diagrams and photos. ((Unfortunately since about 2001, the Yahoo groups
do not store the attachments in the archives. Thus only the text will
be stored in the Yahoo archives.))
... or maybe not ...
HOWEVER . . . if a majority of people prefer the "no html" setting,
which means no formatting and no attachments, then we can configure the
group that way.
- OTHER ATTEMPTS TO RECORD
INFORMATION:
Also, from time to time, I attempt to "capture" some of this controls
information that I see "flying by" in the emails, by putting it on the
AutoControls.org website.
F.
Video Overview Of Yahoo Groups
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- If you are not yet familiar
with how Yahoo groups work,
and can tolerate listening to me for a few minutes,
I made an amateur YouTube video that tells about Yahoo groups in
general:
Yahoo Groups for Email Announcements .
- Added 1/6/09: Videos
specifically describing the [AutoControls] Yahoo group;
essentially reviews the information on this page:
Vimeo Pt 1/2, 14 min . . Vimeo
Pt 2/2, 10 min
. . YouTube Pt 1 - Truncated at 10 min
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{old March
2007 version this page}
This page originated Feb 2007, modified 9/32009. by
(bottom include)
James
R. Ingram , Williamsport
Pa, 570-322-7597
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